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Sunday 16 August 2015

There's one type of discrimination that nobody seems to be talking about.


                Racism, sexism, ageism, ableism, Islamophobia, homophobia, transphobia, you name it – there are a lot of words being bandied about nowadays to refer to prejudicial attitudes. But there’s one type of discrimination that nobody seems to be talking about and I want to change that.

                I’m black, I’m a woman, and I’m a Christian. And recently I have come to realise that those three parts of who I am open me up to discrimination on a regular basis. Fortunately more people are talking about racism and sexism than ever before (although not enough, I hasten to add) but nobody seems to care about discrimination against Christians. Apparently our human rights just don’t matter all that much.

                Now, I’m used to being discriminated against due to my being a Christian. That has been the case since I was ten years old at primary school. And although it’s not been easy, I accept that it’s part of the package. Jesus Christ told us:Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake.  Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.”

But whilst I’ve been used to people thinking me weird or disagreeing with my faith, I’m not used to being shut down – effectively not allowed to speak because of my views. And I’ve found that in the last few years it has become more and more common to think that Christians should put up with this. Well, sorry, but I don’t agree.

Particularly during my last two years at university I have found that there are a lot of people that quite like to shout me down or shut me up whenever I talk about my Bible-based views on contentious issues when asked. Usually a very confident person, I find myself feeling cornered by a horde of people who want to paint me as some outdated idiot or worse, someone who hates on groups of people. I’m not the only one being treated in this way.

Homosexuality

                My home church is one often referred to as a ‘holiness church’ and ‘Bible-believing’. That’s evident enough in the name: ‘Deeper Life Bible Church’. The Bible is the basis of everything we do. In the average DLBC service you probably look up around 50 Bible passages. We know our stuff.

                So it is with some confidence I can tell you the Bible’s stance on homosexuality. The Bible does not condone homosexuality.

“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.” 1 Corinthians 6:9

                Please note that homosexuality is listed as a sin alongside fornication (sex before marriage), adultery, and theft. Homosexuality is not regarded by God as worse than these sins. It annoys me when people try to paint homosexuality as the worst of all sins. That is just not the case. “For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.” (Romans 3:22b-24.) Later in the same chapter, we see these words: “Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body.” Sexual immorality refers to anything that goes against God’s plan for marriage, because God made sex for marriage. That makes sex before or outside marriage a sin, and it also makes sex between the same sex a sin. Just like any other sin, homosexuality is forgiven and forgotten by Jesus once a person surrenders their life to Christ. That doesn’t mean people do not struggle with temptation once they become Christians. Just as a man may admit to lusting after other women despite being in a happy marriage, a person may struggle with attraction to the same sex after becoming born-again. It is when one gives in to temptation that it becomes a sin.

We already know that Jesus spoke of a man leaving his father and mother to be “joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh”.  No references to marriage in the Bible talk of a man leaving his parents to cleave to his husband, and the young women are never admonished to love their wives. So can someone please explain to me how a person saying that objecting to same-sex marriage on Biblical grounds is unfounded?


Even this meme is deemed offensive to some people. Isn’t telling people that espouse the view above that they should take this off their pages doing exactly what they are asking not to be done – for their right to say what they believe to be taken away from them?
I have a lot of non-Christian friends, but I’d like to think they love me in spite of my being a Christian. I don’t drink: does that mean I hate or fear all people that drink? Nope.  


                I have a right to say what I believe, just as you have the right to say what you believe – as long as neither you nor I are spouting hatred. And I don’t believe that saying I don’t support homosexuality as a practice is spouting hatred. 

Sadly there are too many people who do just that under the name of Christianity and they are giving people like me a bad name. For instance, I was incensed when I read a story a friend sent through to me of a ‘Christian’ pastor telling his church that all homosexuals should be executed. You would be right to call this homophobia. ‘Phobia’ can be defined as a ‘strong fear, dislike or aversion’. I’d say calling for all homosexuals to be wiped off the face of this earth is demonstrating a fair amount of aversion, wouldn’t you?

               But to consider people like him on a par with people like me is utterly ridiculous. It would be as ridiculous and unfair as stating that all Muslims are terrorists. If doing the second is indicative of Islamophobia, shouldn’t the first be tantamount to Christianophobia? Wait, you think that isn’t a word. So does Microsoft Word. So did I. Well, I’ve got news for you! Christianophobia, or Christophobia, is a real thing! Just not enough people care about it, so no-one’s really talking about it.

Just because hardly anyone knows that Christianophobia is an actual thing doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. I can give you numerous examples of cases that confirm it to be real.

I could talk to you about the attack on Christians at a Kenyan university by Al-Shabaab which left 147 dead, or I could remind you of the numerous attacks on Christians by Boko Haram in Nigeria, or I could talk about the terrorisation of Coptic Christians in Egypt, or the beheading of Christians in Iraq. But I think you’d agree without question that these are clear cases of anti-Christian sentiment. What you might never have considered is that right here, on Western shores, Christianophobia is rampant.

One quite recent case from here in the UK springs to mind. A Christian couple in Northern Ireland lost a court case over their refusal to make a cake with the words ‘Support Gay Marriage’ imprinted on it; the judge ruling them to have ‘unlawfully discriminated’ against the customer. In response to the court ruling, they stated: “We happily serve everyone but we cannot promote a cause that goes against what the Bible says about marriage. We have tried to be guided in our actions by our Christian beliefs.” They made clear it was the message, not the customer, that they had a problem with. I for the life of me cannot understand how this can be labelled discrimination. It’d be absurd to expect a halal meat shop to supply bacon for your bacon butty or a kosher butcher to provide you with sausages for a hot dog. So why doesn’t the same go for Christians who aren’t comfortable with carrying out a particular action because it goes against what they believe to be an important doctrine of their faith?

The Parliamentary Assembly within the Council of Europe has recently called for its member states to allow for the ‘reasonable accommodation of religious beliefs and practices’ and has warned specifically against intolerance towards Christians in the wake of recent events; (See http://www.lawandreligionuk.com/2015/03/02/the-council-of-europe-religious-intolerance-and-reasonable-accommodation/)  a case in point being the dismissal of a nursery worker who when asked, told a lesbian colleague of her views on homosexuality: ‘If I tell you that God is OK with that, I’m lying to you. But if I tell you that God hates you because of it, I’m lying to you’. (Hating people is not in line with Christianity, but sin is something we are called to do away with, hence the line, ‘love the sinner, hate the sin’.) Her employers also sacked her for her refusal to read stories about same-sex couples to children which conflicted with her faith. It is a human right to be able to practise one’s own religion, and to deny someone that right is by no means right.

I have another example of such a predicament unfolding closer to home. At my university, the senior research scholar at the theological college Wycliffe Hall, named Ravi Zacharias, was censured by our university student union for reportedly being ‘homophobic’ and ‘Islamophobic’. Now all that this man had said was that homosexuality was not part of God’s plan for human sexuality, and pointed out what he felt were the failings of Islamic teaching. He did not say anything that could be considered spouting hatred, he simply explained why he didn’t agree. It would be silly to call a Muslim Christianophobic simply for saying they don’t believe that Jesus is the Son of God, because this is something that their religion teaches.

The fact is, calling someone an ‘x/n-phobe’ is a very quick and easy way to get them to shut up. And lots of people don’t like what Christians say and believe so they attach these labels to them in a valiant attempt to shut them up.

I don’t think that’s fair. 
Abortion
                
            Sorry if you’ve heard me go on about this already, but the time when a debate was scheduled to take place at my university entitled ‘This House Believes Britain’s Abortion Culture Hurts All’ was another clear case of shutting down a view that isn’t shared by the majority. It was ruled that the debate had to be shut down because of “security concerns, both physical and mental” of students, since in some women’s eyes, “my uterus isn't up for discussion”. Say what now? I am a woman and I am fully aware that should I get pregnant, (don’t worry, that ain’t gonna happen any time soon) it would not be just me that would be affected. There would be a father involved, family members, and of course the child. So to suggest that it’s simply me as a woman that would be affected by an abortion, to my mind, is frankly ridiculous. (If you’d like to read more about my views on abortion, click here.)

                I believe in the equality of the sexes and frankly I don’t see how being pro-abortion is obligatory in this stance. But there are lots of women who’d like to shut me and others down for not agreeing with them.

Another controversy, involving both the Oxford University Student Union and the pro-life society Oxford Students for Life, clearly revealed this. The student union, which is supposed to represent all students, decided that it would be donating £50 each year to a pro-abortion group. Speaking to The Oxford Student, one second-year undergraduate, who describes herself as a “pro-life feminist”, did not wish to be named for fear of being “vilified by Oxford’s pro-choice mafia” and said: “I don’t see why they need to formally declare an opinion. I am a female student at this University, and I am pro-life, and I don’t feel represented at all by our student union. They treat people like me as evil, immoral people, just because I happen to think that life begins at conception. I didn’t even go to the OUSU meeting about it because I knew I would just be shouted down and not listened to.”

                This is exactly the kind of discriminatory sentiment I am talking about.

Transphobia

                I’ve recently found those like me labelled as ‘transphobic’ and I’d like to address this matter to explain why I believe this is unfair. As I’ve already discussed, the word and suffix “phobia” can be described as “strong dislike, fear or aversion”, in this particular case to transsexual people, who have decided to undergo surgery to change their sexual characteristics.

                Not too long ago I attended a talk centred on whether or not the Bible oppresses women (I am confident that it doesn’t; for more on that keep your eyes peeled for a post from me) and I remember in the Q&A session which followed, the lady who had delivered the talk was asked about the Christian view of transsexuality. She talked of how most human beings are born with clear sexual characteristics which make them either male or female, and acknowledged that in rare cases there are those that are born without any clearly identifiable sexual organs or characteristics.

                She highlighted that most cases of those that undergo surgery to change their sex do so without there being any sign of intersex traits, but rather do so because they wish to live as a person of a sex different to that which they were born into.

                I’m not comfortable with people hailing this decision as self-affirming and I don’t think it’s fair to label those that feel the way that I do as ‘transphobic’.

                It is serious and deeply saddening that there are people that grow up battling with problems with gender identity. But I don’t believe that people offering ‘gender re-assignment surgery’ is the right way to manage the psychological trauma that comes with this.

                Let me put it this way: the sex you were born into is an integral part of who you are. Let me go further – it cannot be changed.

                As I’ve already mentioned, I am a young black woman. I am black. That cannot be changed. My ethnicity is a central part of who I am and I believe that God made me this way for a reason. The Bible reminds me that God has a plan for each of the creatures He moulded: “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you”. Being black is not easy but I love being so. Being a woman isn’t easy but I am more than happy to be a woman.

                Why should it be considered anything but sad that there are people that feel unhappy in the bodies they are born into? We live in a society where it is normal to be dissatisfied with our own bodies, as reflected by the rise in plastic surgery: more and more people just aren’t happy with the breasts, noses, bums and tums they were born with. This is not something to celebrate or see as normal – it shows a large degree of self-loathing in our world.

                A very topical case comes to mind when thinking about those that try to change their phenotypic make-up. Remember Rachel Dolezal, the leader of African-American civil rights campaign group the NAACP? Well, she was revealed to not be black, as she had claimed to be and presented herself as, but rather to be a white woman who had covered herself with fake tan and donned an Afro wig, as well as rejecting her white parents and constructing a black family for herself.  There was an uproar from people of all races when this was discovered. Why? Because here was a woman presenting herself as something that she wasn’t.

                The results are in and although Rachel Dolezal managed to pass as black, the unanimous agreement is that she isn’t black. She can identify as black, she can make herself look black, but that does not make her belong to the ethnicity of those of African descent.

                As a black person who finds herself and those of her race discriminated against time and time again on a racial basis, I could easily decide that I’d like to be white. I could go through the process of lightening my skin and reconstructing my facial features and change my hair but I would still not be white. More than that, attempting to change my God-given ethnicity would be snubbing the one I was born into. It would be saying, being black just isn’t good enough and being white is so much better. Maybe that’s what some would like me to think but it just isn’t true.

                Scientific research shows that the same goes for transsexuals: they can go through all the gender assignment surgery they desire, forming or removing breasts, changing the shape of their genitals, taking in hormones, but that does not clinically change them from male to female or vice versa (e.g. transsexual women cannot have periods or give birth).  A review of more than 100 international medical studies of post-operative transgender people conducted in the UK found “no robust scientific evidence that gender reassignment surgery is clinically effective.” Walter Heyer, a man who underwent gender reassignment surgery in the 80s to become a woman, changed back to a man eight years later and has since been alerting others of the dissatisfaction that so often comes with undergoing transsexual surgery. Numerous cases point to the alarming prevalence of suicidal thoughts and attempts amongst transsexuals. See http://waltheyer.typepad.com/blog/2013/11/20-regret-changing-genders-over-40attempt-suicide-and-even-after-surgery-a-large-number-remain-traum.html.

                As we see with so many other dilemmas, people are quick to offer a ‘quick fix’ without considering the very real harmful effects. In my eyes we would do much better to make people facing gender identity crises feel comfortable in their own skin, rather than encourage them to change into something that they can never fully be.

                It is true that there are people that are born with intersex traits. Perhaps the most famous person in such a position is the South African athlete Caster Semenya, who in 2009, aged only 19, was subjected to humiliating scrutiny by the mass media after winning the women’s 800m at the World Championships in Berlin. A gender test allegedly revealed that the athlete was born with internal testes and neither womb nor ovaries, yet was born with the female-determining XX-chromosome. She was cleared after a gruelling 11-month stagnation period of being allowed to compete with women. Despite having both male and female sexual characteristics Caster Semenya is a woman and the IAAF (the international athletics governing body) ruled it would be unfair to treat her as anything else.

                It would be ‘transphobic’ to wish that those that choose to undergo ‘gender reassignment surgery’ should die or to declare that they are not worthy of being called human beings. However I do not believe that saying it is better for a person to be happy in the sex they are born in is discriminatory. And I think it’s time people realised that saying so is Christianophobic; it shows a fear or dislike or aversion to those that espouse views that are in line with the Christian faith.

                Thank you for reading through to the end. I hope from now on we can agree to disagree, as the case may be, with no hatred involved. Much love, Ruth.     

15 comments:

  1. Ruth, once again your writing style leaves me dumbfounded! You write with such elegance and grace, and you get your point across so well!

    I agree that there is definitely a difference between the definition of homophobia and how you feel about homosexuality. However, like most words these days, I believe there is a difference between how the dictionary defines something, and how the general public define the word. Homophobia to a lot of people means a general dislike/opposition of/to LGBTQIA+ persons and their sexuality. Not necessarily hatred or fear. I think the confusion here means a lot of people are accused of being hateful towards LGBT persons when in reality, they tend to be very loving, and only disagree/say something when asked for an opinion. What the UK needs is their own version of l'Académie Francaise! Then definitions and public meaning wouldn't be so different!

    As a bisexual, I fully accept that many of my friends do not agree with my sexual identity, and would probably rather I didn't identify as such. However, like most things in life, your sexual identity is your own personal choice/lifestyle, and so other people don't really get to have a say in it. It's taken me a long time to come to terms with my faith AND my sexuality, but I now know that if my sexuality is a sin, only God can judge me for it, and so I choose to take that 'risk'. I think there are lots of different ways of interpreting the Bible, given context, the language it was originally written in etc., and so life is therefore too short to spend my time disliking/hating those who maybe don't agree with me. There are a multitude of things you and I probably don't agree on, but does it matter? No. So long as we can overcome those and remain loving, caring friends, I don't think it does.

    I was going to finish by saying I can't wait to see you when I'm back in Oxford, but you won't be there! :( When will I see you next? Lots of love, Livvi xxxx

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    1. Hey Livvi, thank you for your kind words and thank you for reading!

      I’m glad you agree with me the on the crucial point I made in this post: that it is possible to disagree with someone’s views without hatred coming into the picture. I also agree with you when you say that it is up to God to judge if one’s actions are wrong or not. I’ve found that it’s often through convicting us personally that he shows us His intentions and gives us clarity on how we should interpret the Bible.
      I am personally convicted of the viewpoints I have shared in this post but of course I’m in no position to comment on your own inner conviction, as that is personal to you. What is great is that through having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ we can know Him more and more each day and come to better know what He desires of us.
      And again Livvi I think you’re right! We don’t have to agree on everything to be friends.
      When will you see me next? Good question! Could be as late as October next year, unless you come and visit me à l’étranger! xxx

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  2. Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. Very thorough and enlightening as usual. The astounding articulation and clarity with which you have presented your points almost brings a tear to my eye.

    This post is spot on in so many ways that I could write an essay on its accuracy. It was certainly a delightful read. You have highlighted a clear form of "double standards" that has been swept under the carpet for far too long a time- Christophobia.
    Christianophobia is indeed a real thing and it needs to be brought into the light and therefore it is nothing short of wonderful to see a fellow christian spreading awareness by proclaiming the truth fearlessly....

    Which brings me to my second point....
    I came to understand that you got a lot of heat and abuse for posting this on Facebook and that it caused you much distress. As you're a fellow sister in Christ, it also caused me much distress.
    I just wanted to add my token of support and encourage you to keep up the good work. Keep on spreading the truth fearlessly.
    I live by a principle that goes something like this:
    If the whole world frowns against you, it's less than nothing as long as God smiles upon you. It does not matter who approves of your work if God disapproves of it and in this case it doesn't matter who disapproves of your work as long as God approves of it and I am certain that He does approve.

    Look at it this way. Christ received hate for his undiluted truth about God and so have you. You're one step closer to achieving Christ likeness.

    There will always be opposition, sometimes very fierce. It's, like you said, a fundamental part of the Job description.It's a package.
    There will be people who simply hate you for presenting a truth that doesn't encourage or agree with their lifestyle.
    There will be intellects that pose incredible but false arguments (in light of scripture).
    There will be people who deliberately and intentionally choose to misunderstand and then hate you for something you never said.
    This can be overwhelming and can cripple one's confidence like you rightly said. It also can be disheartening but I am here to tell you to take heart Ruth!....

    ..Take heart! because an Almighty Triune audience is applauding you from above and around you and their seal of approval in upon you and therefore in light of that, be at peace.

    Keep up the good work and stay courageous!

    Take Care

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    1. I am humbled by your blog.
      Boldly proclaiming to others His SALVATION
      That's what all Christians are called on to.
      God bless you and keep you. Xx

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    2. Thank you! Amen, God bless you too. Matthew 5:14-16 :) xx

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  4. Why can't you just let people be happy?

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    1. I want people to be happy, but not just for now, for eternity. That's what Christianity has to offer.

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  5. Anastasia Daffern5 October 2017 at 17:58

    "Why give a platform to someone of her nature in a place where ethnic minorities already feel marginalised and unwelcome? What, you just want to air her nasty views because “everyone has a right to free speech”? You mean to say by letting her give a speech on why it’s OK to be racist and Islamophobic you are not condoning her views?" Part 2 - Oxford: At Odds with the Real World.


    Hi Ruth. I wasn’t sure whether to post this on the original blog post the above is quoted from or here, on this one. I decided on this one in the end because while the quote is from another, I’m going to address some of the issues in this one using your own quote as a framework.

    Imagine for a second you are a gay 18-year-old, just off to university, a place built for learning and developing, both academically and personally. Imagine you get into the university of your dreams, one of the most esteemed in the world, only to be met by professors that harbour homophobic views and, when you bring the issue up, you’re met by university bosses who say “‘I’m sorry, but my job isn’t to make you feel comfortable.” (Professor Louise Richardson of Oxford)

    Can you fathom how soul crushing that must be?

    I don’t think you have to, based on your quote from the top of this comment.

    I am a female queer 20-year-old. I actually identify as somewhere around bisexual, as I like both men and women, but by the sounds of it, to you that would be just as much a ‘sin’ as homosexuality is.

    Maybe you’ve never actually spoken to a gay person about their sexuality and maybe that’s because everyone is too afraid of your, frankly, outdated and homophobic views (because despite your objections otherwise, that is exactly what they are, but more on that later). I can tell you that if you had had an open conversation about it you would know that a person can help their sexuality no more than one can help the colour of their skin.

    You are black. I am bisexual.

    You even seem to reaffirm this when you say: “Homosexuality is forgiven and forgotten by Jesus once a person surrenders their life to Christ. That doesn’t mean people do not struggle with temptation once they become Christians. Just as a man may admit to lusting after other women despite being in a happy marriage, a person may struggle with attraction to the same sex after becoming born-again.”

    If a person still “struggles” with their sexuality even after “surrendering their life to Christ”, it seems to me like even what Christians deem the highest power there is can’t change who a person is at their core. (And, as an aside, if Christianity makes anyone feel like they have to struggle with a simple part of themselves, I cannot see that as a good thing. I actually think it is abhorrent.)

    (I've had to split this comment into multiple parts, next part incoming.)

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    1. Hi Annie, sorry for the delay in getting back to you.

      You’ve addressed quite a lot of issues and made a fair number of assertions in your comments. I’ll do my best to respond to each of them.

      My “Reflections on Oxford” series is quite different from this post and the quote you have copied is contextually different, so I don’t want to muddy the waters by focusing too much on that one, as that could confuse matters.

      However I will say that Prof. Louise Richardson is not exactly known for making the best comments, and I wouldn’t exactly say I’m the hugest fan of her. So conflating her comments with my post is unhelpful.

      I know a lot of people that don’t have a faith find it quite hard to understand how someone’s faith can mean as much to them as mine does to me, and don’t quite see how they can follow a sacred text that seems to be centuries behind “modern thinking”. I accept that it doesn’t make sense to everyone, but to my mind the Bible doesn’t change, because God has not. He is the same yesterday, today and forever. It is not me that decides what is sin and what is not, it is God. And as a Christ follower and believer in God, I hold myself to live by and believe what is written in the Bible.

      That means I have daily struggles too. I struggle with patience and being kind even to those who continually hurt me. The Bible holds me to a higher standard than that which is easy for me to live by. I could choose to simply live the way I want, and justify it by saying “I’m just being me”, but then there wouldn’t be much point in me being a Christian. In fact, most “religious people” would tell you that their religion inspires them to be better versions of themselves: it demands a change from them. If they wanted to stay exactly the way they were, they probably wouldn’t be following a religion.

      So in reference to what you said: “if Christianity makes anyone feel like they have to struggle with a simple part of themselves, I cannot see that as a good thing. I actually think it is abhorrent.”, I would say, the fact that Christianity requires me to become a new person is actually one of the best things about it!

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  6. Anastasia Daffern5 October 2017 at 17:59

    In the opening quote, you are talking about the racism you experienced at Oxford University, in particular an occasion where a speaker was allowed to give a long speech about her “worrying views” that made ethnic minorities feel even more uncomfortable than usual in an exclusive environment.

    I think by now you can probably see where I’m going with this, but I’ll be frank. I don’t see how you can believe that opinions on homosexuality are more acceptable than Marine Le Pen’s opinions on race. The only difference I can see is scale and setting, and even that is very much debatable.

    I’ll explain.

    Marine Le Pen’s speech made you uncomfortable as a black student at Oxford. The ‘higher ups’ at Oxford don’t see how it’s their job to make gay students feel comfortable at their university.

    Neither is acceptable.

    Obviously, I don’t support Marine Le Pen’s viewpoint here whatsoever; it’s terrible, and I’m sorry that it made you uncomfortable. No one should have to deal with that.

    But you have a similar platform here on this blog. You have a platform that you use to talk about your life experiences, including how you feel about Christianity, racism, homophobia, sexism, transphobia, abortion, feminism, and all manner of other subjects you feel passionate about. And talk about them you do.

    Your thinking here may be that because Oxford University is an elite school and that Le Pen used her position as a speaker at the Union that’s somehow less acceptable than you saying the things you do about homosexuality on your personal blog. I’ll admit, that was my initial reaction too. But then I actually thought about it.

    The internet is bigger than ever. Your content has the potential to reach over 3 billion people. Nothing should be said lightly. Your homophobia has the potential to affect billions of people, including those who have yet to develop a full idea of who they are and that is incredibly dangerous. Repressing sexuality can lead to all kinds of mental health issues, and if a young person read these assertions about homosexuality being unacceptable it could have serious repercussions. I’d like to direct you to the facts listed on this page: http://www.thetrevorproject.org/pages/facts-about-suicide

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    1. I have actually spoken with friends who are attracted to the same sex about sexuality. We’ve been able to have fruitful discussions following my writing this post, and one of the friends to which I refer left a comment on this post (the first one, see above) – and though we don’t share the same opinion on this matter, she did not dispute that my feelings on this mean that I love her any less, or that I am hateful towards LGBTQ people! I realise that she is not the mouthpiece for all LGBTQ people, but I think it is worth noting that not all members of this community see my views and my right to express them as hateful.

      I have friends that identify as bi message me after I wrote this saying that although I disagree with their lifestyle, they have never felt treated any differently and we have always been able to get on well and be good friends! I do think it is possible to lead a different lifestyle to someone and still be able to treat them with love. If that were not possible, all my friends would be exactly like me and agree with me on absolutely everything! (Which would mean I’d probably have no friends!)

      Your opinion is that “everyone is too afraid of [my] frankly, outdated and homophobic views”. That’s your opinion. Obviously I would disagree and many of my friends would too, but that’s OK. You're free to express your opinions, as am I.

      I really don’t think it’s helpful to conflate race and sexuality, but I’m not going to go into that now because I’m not trying to change your mind, only trying to help you better understand my point.

      I made reference to this point earlier but in an attempt to follow your comment chronologically, I’ll expand on it further. Being a Christian is about a life-long upward curve of change, with the ultimate desire to become more Christ-like each day. That said, we are human beings and we live in a fallen world, so temptation is a battle that we are destined to be faced with each day. That’s just how it is.

      People struggle with different temptations. I know of great Christians who struggle with or have in the past struggled with same-sex attraction. Just as people struggle with lust, battle pornography addictions, struggle with unforgiveness…. They have made a choice to walk in the path that God has ordained for them. I’d like to direct you to a short interview from Vaughan Roberts, an ordained Church of England minister who is same-sex attracted but has chosen to remain celibate. Many of my friends attended/attend his church in Oxford: https://davidould.net/vaughan-roberts-same-sex-attraction-a-battle-i-face-a-model-of-a-godly-response/

      Another is this example, Jackie Hill Perry, who once lived as a lesbian but is now married with a daughter. She’s spoken extensively about her experience and her beliefs. She has lots of good videos on YouTube; you can check her out.

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  7. Anastasia Daffern5 October 2017 at 18:01

    An important point I would like to make is regarding your insistence that you are not homophobic. You have this to say on homophobia: “I was incensed when I read a story a friend sent through to me of a ‘Christian’ pastor telling his church that all homosexuals should be executed. You would be right to call this homophobia. ‘Phobia’ can be defined as a ‘strong fear, dislike or aversion’.”

    Your definition of ‘phobia’ is spot on. But you are wrong to look at only the suffix of the word, as words as a whole can evolve away from the original meaning of each of their parts. Word for word, the definition of homophobia is:

    “Dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people.”
    (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/homophobia)

    You speak against gay people in such a way that comes across as massively prejudice. Whether this is your intention or not, that’s how it comes across. No amount of sugar-coating or quoting the bible can hide the fact that your ideals, at their core, are homophobic.

    I’ll explain this more. When you quote St. Augustine’s “love the sinner, hate the sin”, you don’t seem to realise how offensive that actually is. If you hate the fact that I am gay, by extension you hate something at the core of my being that cannot be changed. It’s who I am. You hate me. You cannot distinguish between my sexuality and me.

    While you revile the pastor who believes all homosexuals should be put to death, you are spreading the same dangerous vitriol. It may be watered down and re-branded as ‘soul saving’, but it’s just as destructive. At the end of the day, if you can only truly accept someone if they “surrender their life to Christ” and change themselves to fit your own narrow-minded world view, you don’t love them or care about them. At that point they become nothing but putty to be shaped into your perfect Christian mould rather than a living, breathing, feeling human being.

    Now, we have almost entirely explored this from my point of view (one that believes homosexuality is not a ‘sin’ chosen, but rather an undeniable part of millions of peoples’ personalities), so I’ll indulge you for a second.

    Let’s pretend that homosexuality is a choice.

    Christianity is also a choice and the entire point of this post is that you’re upset “nobody seems to care about discrimination against Christians”. I counter with this: I don’t think it’s the fact that you’re a Christian that bothers people, I think it’s the fact that you’re trying to strip away a person’s right to be themselves and express themselves how they deem appropriate as long as they aren’t hurting anybody.

    Only when religion tries to actively change people or shame them for being themselves does it become an issue.

    Finally, I’ll hop back up to the quote from the beginning. “You mean to say by letting her give a speech on why it’s OK to be racist and Islamophobic you are not condoning her views?”

    Allowing someone to put across their views isn’t equal with condoning their views. That’s the basis of freedom of speech. It’s exactly why I would never stop you from saying your bit as long as you’re open to listening to mine too.

    Thanks for reading through to the end.

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    1. I hope my comment has enabled you to better understand my point; and if not, that’s OK too. I just hope you know that where you identify on the spectrum of sexuality does absolutely nothing whatsoever to change my ability to love you as a human being and a wonderfully and fearfully made creation of God. Much love to you and I hope things are going well for you. xxx

      I'd like to add, for the benefit of everyone, that this is the last comment I will be making on this post, as I do not feel it is fruitful to continue to go back and forth on this topic. My feelings and thoughts are all outlined in the post above, and reiterated in my comments.

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